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Comments are limited to 200 words or less. reductio wrote on Feb 4, 2010 12:04 PM: " But we do have separate police for
Princeton Borough and the Township and it seems to work fine. So there
is a choice between the police systems. But there is only one school
district for Princeton. So the police situation would seem to support
the idea of more charter schools. " Dummy wrote on Feb 3, 2010 5:15 PM: " Police force, where did that come from???
Go back and finish your donuts! The teachers work on the kids' brains 180 days a year? " reductio ad absurdum wrote on Feb 3, 2010 2:57 PM: " Hey, if we're dissatisfied with our local
police forces, let's set up charter police forces or give people
vouchers to take to private police forces. Of course there would be a
stipulation that unions would not be allowed in charter police forces or
the private police forces to which one would take the voucher. See,
it's choice, shouldn't we have the choice as to which police force we
want since it's our tax money. And it sets up competition between
regular police forces, charter police forces and the private police
forces (Pinkertons). It should just work swimmingly, oh yeah. (sarcasm
alert) (satire alert) (hyperbole alert). " Why wrote on Feb 1, 2010 5:06 PM: " Montgomery pays about $11,000 per student.
Maybe you need to see where Princetons $17,000 per student is going. I
would sure want to know! " Princeton Resident 2 wrote on Feb 1, 2010 3:01 PM: " Sorry! I posted the note below as
'Princeton Resident' not realizing the name was used! Didn't mean to
grab the name! " Princeton Resident wrote on Feb 1, 2010 2:58 PM: " To Hold Teachers Accountable, you mention
that the taxpayers should decide how their dollars are used. Sounds
reasonable. But this mandarin immersion school was not voted on as far
as I know. I also agree that even in good school districts, the bar can be raised. but taking money out of the public school budgets will make that goal for them difficult. As a tax payer with two kids in the public school system, I would much prefer additional spending in the existing schools. Already our local PTOs are charged with funding many programs and activities to supplement the core education. Losing students - and their funding - will only exacerbate this. What activity, program or trip will the existing public school do without next year because a state official decided that Madarin Immersion for the few students that win the Charter Lottery Admission is more important than continuing to support fund, and god forbid, expand the existing public school system? " Tom wrote on Jan 29, 2010 4:38 PM: " Correction: I just looked it up. The
cost for PRS is only $17,000 per child. Sorry for the mistake " Tom wrote on Jan 29, 2010 3:59 PM: " To Princeton Resident: I understand your point. The Princeton Public Schools have based their budgets on the assumption that all the school taxes are theirs. Now that there are charter schools, they need to revise their assumptions. In the short term, there will be disruptions to their budget. But over the longer term, as they account for charter school attendance (and the resulting fewer students in public schools), they shouldn't have a budget problem. Lastly, the last time I checked, it cost the PRS about $22,000 per student from school taxes. So PRS is still making a profit on each student who attends charter school since they only need to pay out $14,000. " Princeton Resident wrote on Jan 29, 2010 1:17 PM: " I don't think Tom understands the cost
dynamics of the public school education. When a child attends the
charter school, it is not a matter of having one less child to educate.
There are many classes in the lower grades at the public schools in
Princeton that are below the acceptable class size, so no additional
teachers would be required if many students returned to the public
school. By eliminating the $14,000 allocation for each student, the
public schools lose a large contribution to their fixed expenses which
include school and athletic facilities, the high cost of providing
out-of-district eduation for special needs kids, and the govt-mandated
cost of busing for all students, whether they attend public, charter or
private schools. " JLB wrote on Jan 29, 2010 9:07 AM: " In theory, the money follows the child to a
public charter school. The charter school is supposed to receive 90%
of the funding a student in a district school receives. In reality,
most charter schools are receiving only about 75%. It is hard to see
how the district schools are being deprived of funds! " Hold Teachers Accountable wrote on Jan 28, 2010 11:44 PM: " The Princeton Charter School is a clear
example that standards can be raised, even in "good districts" (although
that begs the question who you are comparing them to: Camden?)....Let
the taxpayers choose what is the best way to use THEIR tax dollars for
their children! The district teachers continue to put their jobs before
our childrens' interests. If they don't innovate, they should face the
consequences! " Taxpayer wrote on Jan 28, 2010 2:50 PM: " Well at least the NJEA still has a
supporter in the Packet. After all, they are "for our children". . How about allowing for the possibility that alternative schools give parents and children alternative (sometimes better) educational choices? And many schools, especially in the Abbot Districts spend a fortune on teachers, superintendents, security, etc., and they still are failures. . So if folks are really interested in saving money on educational expenses, we know what schools should be eliminated. " Irene Wilson wrote on Jan 28, 2010 1:43 PM: " While budget concerns are an important
issue, especially in these financially uncertain times, the future of
our children must always be a primary issue. As global competition
increases, it is imperative that our children are afforded every
opportunity to achieve. The charter school under discussion provides
immersion in Mandarin. Fluency in this language well as a deep
understanding of the Chinese culture can only help our young people
compete more effectively in the coming years. It seems to me that this
charter school offers the community an invaluable key to the future for
our children. " taxpayer wrote on Jan 28, 2010 11:58 AM: " Charter schools are doing no better than
the regular public schools. Some are doing worse but you are not
supposed to bring that up. Shhhh. Actual studies have been made of
charter schools versus regular public schools and charter schools are no
better than the public schools in most cases. If there is an excellent
public school, that seems to prove nothing according to charter school
advocates but if a charter school is excellent then, wow, that proves
that charter schools are superior and that public schools are horrible,
according to the anti-public school crowd. A study by the US Education Department reported in July of 2006 that children in public schools generally performed as well or better in reading and mathematics than comparable children in private schools (and that included charter schools, too). " Joan wrote on Jan 28, 2010 8:48 AM: " I agree with Tom. Granted the first year
could certainly cause an adjustment, it is not impossible for the
districts to work this out. " Privateschools wrote on Jan 28, 2010 5:20 AM: " Where do the people live who go to the
following schools? Lawrenceville Day School Chapin School Princeton Day School The Waldorf of Princeton Princeton Friends School Stuart Country Day School St. Augustine's (Kendall Park). Noor El Muslim school (South Brunswick) Etc. There are more private schools surrounding Princeton than most places. I suppose it doesn't matter that these schools charge tuition anywhere from $6,000 to $40,000? The districts still get the money from the students who leave the district for these greener pastures. No complaints there. To the private schools they say - take them - we still get the money. This is in spite of the fact these families must also pay their taxes. I suppose "rich" people can afford to do that if they do not like what the public school is offering. What about the people who cannot afford to pay private school tuition and high taxes? Do they get any choices? I believe that it should be possible to operate off of the money of the students who actually go to your school. As it stands, with all of the students not in the district, there should be a surplus of funds. Do the districts know how much money that they have that is earmarked for kids who are not there? Shouldn't it matter or do they just take the money and spend without giving those families a second thought? " Mother wrote on Jan 28, 2010 4:35 AM: " Here is something to consider. If each
child in the district is worth $14,000 to the district (in the case of
Princeton), what happens when a child in the district does not go to the
public school? Does the district still get the $14,000? Where is that
child? If they are now at a private school because the district is not
serving their needs, their parents have to pay a private school fee and
still pay high taxes. Does anyone question why the district can continue
to operate with the money of a student that it is not serving? In
other words, individuals need choices. Individuals are paying taxes and
in some cases taxes and private school fees - even in these high
performing districts. There are huge numbers of private schools
clustered around Princeton. These schools draw from the districts in the
charter. Why? It is not about the school system, it is about the
families and in the districts and the future of these children. We
cannot let politics block progress. " Tom wrote on Jan 27, 2010 7:46 PM: " This is a silly editorial. If a child
attends the charter school, then the school district has one less
student it has to educate. As a result, the school district can reduce
its expenses proportionately. Since the charter school will have
relatively predictable enrollments, it doesn't require much planning in
advance to see how the school district will need to adjust its budget.
For the money that the School Board Administration is paid, I would expect they could handle this relatively simple budgeting problem. " Add your own comments: Please note by clicking on "Post Comment" you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Although we do not have any obligation to monitor these comments, we reserve the right at all times to check the comments and to remove any information that is unlawful, threatening, abusive, libelous, defamatory, obscene, vulgar, pornographic, profane, indecent or otherwise objectionable to us at our sole discretion, and to disclose any information necessary to satisfy the law, regulation, or government request. We also reserve the right to limit future participation by any user who violates these terms. All threats to systems or site infrastructure shall be assumed genuine in nature and will be reported to the appropriate law enforcement authorities |
Free Education is not Free wrote on Feb 4, 2010 3:13 PM: